by Alives
Fri May 7th, 2010 6:56pm
[score: 376,551 | approval: 69%]
This is not a difficult concept
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by Alives
Fri May 7th, 2010 6:56pm
[score: 376,551 | approval: 69%]
by Alives
Fri May 7th, 2010 6:56pm
[score: 376,551 | approval: 69%]
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oweff set tag: abortion | Fri May 7th, 2010 6:57pm |
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oweff set tag: embryos | Fri May 7th, 2010 6:57pm |
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89 Comments
there's an egg in a bowl, and an egg WITH sperm in the bottom picture.
same with the nut, the nut hasn't germinated. which is similar to the conception we're seeing in picture 4. the silkworm thing doesn't work because the silk doesn't grow into a dress.. soooooo....
poorly constructed argument.
For the more competent people, do not look at the words because they are only descriptions of a thing's existence. Call it what you want, but they are one and the same.
For the less condescending people, please look only at the lulz and disregard the nonsensical babbling of internet philosophers.
So, you're saying that at different points in time I am different people? As far as I'm concerned baby adj is the same person as adult adj. Just a little hairier and not as prone to spilling glasses of milk.
At any given point in time I'm not simply a representation of some deeper manifestation of myself. I am myself. A nut and a tree are the same things. A egg and a chicken are the same thing.
When you grow up and stop watching cartoons you'll understand. And your mother is a whore.
You say your the same person now as you were years ago, then you state how you are a different person.
Its true that a chicken and an egg are both Gallus Gallus, its species. But in different stages of life.
Same with a nut, to say a nut is a tree is to say that a tree is a nut. If I were to point at a tree and say, "I wanna eat that nut!" people would think I'm nuts! (pardon the pun)
Stages of life does make a difference. What defines someone as a person:
according to philosophers: "a self-conscious or rational being."
-a human does not become self aware until the age of 2 and a half.
Until this age a human (which the egg is) is only a potential person.
-Does that mean we can go around killing babies, if this is supposed to argue for abortion or plan-b one can argue that a potential person has just as much value as a person.
-But should this hold true if this person is dependent on another person to survive? Who has primary rights to the body of the host in a pregnancy. The host, and the owner of the body, or the offspring, or "renter" of the body? 2 entities can not share equil rights to one body, so does the potential person that is wholy dependant upon the mothers body to survive's rights superceed the mothers, A fully developed person who has ownership of her body?
Here is an interesting article for those who are interested:
according to the law, a person is: "a human being (natural person) or a group of human beings, a corporation, a partnership, an estate, or other legal entity (artificial person or juristic person) recognized by law as having rights and duties."
-this is a debate for another day.
If you think I wasn't adj until I was 2½ then you are certifiably retarded. I am and will continue to be the same person until I die. Just because I liked GI-Joe as a kid and don't like them anymore since everyone knows Transformers are way cooler doesn't mean I'm a different person.
Also, your mother is a whore.
The human race should be simplified by comparing it to animals and plants. Humans are animals..just because we are more intelligent does not take away the fact that we are animals. Also, like plants, we are living things. By simplifying us to just being animals again, it may be easier to come up with the answers for issues such as this. As far as my opinion, I am not sure on the issue. I am not saying that one side is true and the other false, I am just pointing out to you that we are at the level of animals, because that is what we are.
It only contains half of the materials necessary to create a chicken.
So even though the picture shows a human egg being fertilized and that entire picture makes absolutely no sense, an egg is NOT chicken. To be a chicken, it would need to be fertilized.
I'm so glad you finally pointed it out. The eggs we eat for breakfast are unfertilized, meaning they could never have become chickens because they are unfertilized, thus missing sperm - a very vital part to the birthing process. So that example doesn't match. Neither does the nut because it hasn't been germinated - another vital part to that process. Yet the picture of the human egg is being fertilized by a sperm. I don't think the comparison makes sense, even though I'm actually for abortion rights.
As for adj, you should actually read the article someone referred you to. Actually educating yourself may give you a better argument than GI joes, spilled milk and "your mom is a whore," just to give you a few examples of your ignorance.
Also, the whole idea of it being "not a difficult concept" is a bit difficult too because people have very different concepts on life. I'm pro abortion rights, yet more than willing to agree that people have far different views of the world and frankly, people always will. It's about time we realized that instead of constantly arguing, especially with strangers on the internet.
the fertilized egg is a living cell, as is the sperm,
it is not a person yet, but it is still living.
Geesh.
Wake up people.
ps- Your mother is a whore.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
You're right...it's only humanity, it wouldn't matter to someone as ignorant as you would it...
Another thing, you're not a woman...DO NOT SPEAK FOR US. You'll never know what it's like to make this decision...
And you know, you're right women should have the right to choose, if they choose to have blatant disregard for human life because of their own mistakes, fine, it doesn't mean they're good people, in fact it makes them selfish irresponsible and inhumane.
In the case of rape and incest...I'll give it to you, that's a call most women probably should and will make, but other than that, use a condom, don't kill a baby.
By the way, you're logic in the 4th comment is terrible. In fact, you're logic in general is pretty terrible...so you know.
By the way, most of the people that get abortions would be terrible parents. They're doing the kid a service by not bringing them up in a crackhouse. In fact, there are loads of atrocious parents that SHOULD have had abortions to save their kids from terrible lives. Of course these people should have just worn condoms, but it's a lot easier to offer abortions than it is to try and force idiots not to breed. Or, we can go back in time and continue to sterilize all the people we don't want having children.
As for the pictures, the only two that are the same are the nut and the human egg. Both are fertilized but both are in an early stage that would not be recognized as the final "product". A nut is not a tree and a fertilized egg is not a person, yet.
As for the fetus? No, it's not a person yet, but that doesn't mean it's not alive in some way. That doesn't mean I'm pro-life or anything- I don't need to justify being pro-choice by saying a fetus isn't a person. And whether you believe abortion is right or not, your beliefs should only apply to you and you alone. Yeah, some people made a mistake and didn't use a condom, but who gives YOU the right to tell them what to do next? It's already a difficult enough decision to make, and it's only harder with everyone shoving their opinions down the girl's throat. Just live you're own life and let others live theirs.
And just saying, humankind does NOT have a track record of being compassionate and caring for our fellow species. We've been killing each other regardless of age since the very beginning. So as for having a 'blatant disregard for human life', well, it's nothing new. Maybe, by choosing to have an abortion, they really aren't disregarding the matter but believe they are making a decision that would be beneficial to not only themselves, but for the fetus/child/person also.
I also find it truly fascinating that even with all of the advances we have made in the medical field, we still do not know when life begins and when it ends. But I doubt we will ever truly come to a consensus on that idea.
Guilt is based on this sort of uninvited commentary.
As I said, it's not my job to tell anyone what they should do just because it's what I believe, but if you're going to try to make a comparison, make sure it's a valid comparison that doesn't make you look like a fool.
(same comment I posted on SU)
ftw
well no shit the sperm is not a person, however once the EGG meets the sperm you so graciously have a picture of... it is now an underdeveloped human being.
THAT is not a difficult concept.
Funny how YOU don't even understand what you are saying.
poor thing.
all of these had/have the POTENTIAL to become what he is saying they are not....
-if the (chicken) egg was never removed from the mother and properly incubated it could be a chicken
-if the nut was under the right conditions it could be a tree
-if the silk was taken and manipulated it could be a dress (although I agree this doesn't really fit with the whole nature's process argument)
-if the egg/sperm were allowed to grow it could be a person
They are in a process....and doesn't see how someone could be upset at humans interrupting said process since we interrupt processes of nature everyday (if you disagree then you obviously do not think about the roads/buildings we put up and the trees we have to tear down to do so)
The eggs we buy at the grocery store (similar to the picture above) are not fertilized and therefore are not equivalent to a human zygote (sperm joined with egg)...The outer shell will form with or without fertilization, as most hens lay one egg per day regardless of fertilization. They are not the same, and if PETA backed you it's only because they are insane and will back anyone who supports their cause.
Sincerely,
Disappointed in you...
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